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Given the incessant 'Blame the Messenger'  ad hominem screeching about Russia from the left/liberal/progressive
faction of the political spectrum (along with a few neocon uber-warmongers like Lindsey Graham and John McCain)
hacking our election while offering not one scintilla of actual evidence to support those outlandish claims, I wonder
if these folks are even capable of understanding the peril that they may be pushing us into.

Actions have consequences.

Or is this ossified Cold War mentality something that they find desirable?




An interesting video. Thanks

(I'm watching Tucker Carlson quite regularly now - he's a fresh look for Fox and an improvement over many of the others)

The Professor makes a good point. Between Russia, Europe and the US we can crack the military component of radical Islam.

The problem with the Obama administration has been their haughty ideals as regards some selected nations. Sure Russia has problematic human rights and sure they're your old foe, but by threatening them you just empower Putin. Russia has a thousand year history of being threatened on its borders and being invaded. It's deep in their psychology. So don't threaten them. The same goes with Israel. Obama didn't like Netty on a personal level and so the relationship went sour. The loser is America not Israel. You can't run around the world making enemies of every nation that doesn't meet your particular standards. At the same time Obama was happy to open relations with that island dictatorship off the coast of Florida.

There's a profile here: Obama was pro: Muslim/Socialist/Liberal/Black and anything that didn't fir that profile was 'bad' in his view. He's a true product of Saul Alinsky from his curly hair to the tip of his toes.

I'm thinking that Trump will be made to look good. Not because he is so good, but because his predecessor was so bad.
(12-22-2016, 08:43 PM)andrew_o Wrote: [ -> ]Russia has a thousand year history of being threatened on its borders and being invaded. It's deep in their psychology. So don't threaten them. The same goes with Israel. Obama didn't like Netty on a personal level and so the relationship went sour. The loser is America not Israel. You can't run around the world making enemies of every nation that doesn't meet your particular standards.


Quite right.

While the bear may or may not have ill intentions towards you, it's never a good idea to go around poking it with a stick
(nor hornet's nests either).

But that appears to be precisely the course that most of the liberal-leaning US MSM have decided to embark upon.

When the moans and complaints centered around the alleged Russian 'hacking' of the DNC and John Podesta's e-mails
(the truth of what was contained in those e-mails was never disputed, as the upset was caused by the fact that they
were actually revealed) they were easily dismissed as sour grapes from sore losers.

So the MSM upped the game, and began blaming the Russians for 'hacking the election'.

But a bit of sober reflection showed this to be equally nonsensical as well.  Just more whining.

So now, they've elevated the accusations once again by alleging that the Russians have actually attacked the United States.

Specifically, that they have installed malware into the electrical grid in order to shut it down.

And this was reported as fact by the largest purveyor of fake news on the planet, the Washington Post:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat...b93f92cc7b

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And this had the political establishment in DC in an uproar, and led to the issuing of statements vowing retaliation
against those dastardly Russians by nearly everyone on the political Left, and well as the neocon war-mongers on
the Right, notably John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

But a simple investigation revealed that all this noise was simply untrue.

(Of course, actual research into actual facts is pretty much beyond the ken of the Post and its staff.)

It turns out that a piece of malware was detected on one laptop that was not even connected to the grid.

And that this so-called 'Russian' malware can be purchased online by anyone.

So, once again (like the PropOrNot  'fake news' debacle) the Post had to attach a disclaimer to their story:


Quote:Editor’s Note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Russian hackers had penetrated the U.S. electric grid. Authorities say there is no indication of that so far. The computer at Burlington Electric that was hacked was not attached to the grid.


Notice the 'so far' added language.

So as to keep this tale from being completely moribund.

Glen Greenwald offered some commentary:




https://theintercept.com/2016/12/31/russ...tric-grid/

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Russia Hysteria Infects WashPost Again: False Story About Hacking U.S. Electric Grid
theintercept.com
The "anything goes" media mentality when it comes to Russia strikes again.




Quote:THIS MATTERS not only because one of the nation’s major newspaper once again published a wildly misleading, fear-mongering story about Russia. It matters even more because it reflects the deeply irrational and ever-spiraling fever that is being cultivated in U.S. political discourse and culture about the threat posed by Moscow.
 
The Post has many excellent reporters and smart editors. They have produced many great stories this year. But this kind of blatantly irresponsible and sensationalist tabloid behavior – which tracks what they did when promoting that grotesque PropOrNot blacklist of U.S. news outlets accused of being Kremlin tools – is a by-product of the Anything Goes mentality that now shapes mainstream discussion of Russia, Putin and the Grave Threat to All Things Decent in America that they pose.
Great post diverdown

One additional point: This pantomime also allows the Democrats to de-legitimize the Trump presidency.

In future you will hear this said "He would never have become president if Putin had't helped him".

This whole circus will spin on into history and most people who don't read much serious news will retain the false belief that Trump is somehow an impostor.

http://truepundit.com/trump-officials-ob...-out-door/

Trump Officials: Obama Will Face Sweeping Investigations If He Continues Scorched Earth Policy On Way Out Door


Quote:Donald Trump just drew a line in the proverbial sand. And President Barack Obama better simmer down very quickly, or face brutal consequences.

Trump officials made it clear late Thursday that if Obama continues to scorch America’s already-fragile foreign policy on his way out of the White House door, he will face sweeping federal probes when Trump assumes the presidency and control of the nation’s law enforcement apparatus.

True Pundit spoke with well-placed sources who have accepted new positions with the Trump administration. They agreed Trump and key members of his transition team are increasingly frustrated by the recent actions of Obama who just this week picked unwarranted international fights with Israel and Russia.

“At this rate the feeling is Obama will have to face consequences for what he is doing right now,” the Trump insider said. “We can take a very close look at him, (Valerie) Jarrett, (John) Kerry and his inner circle to see what they have really been doing, especially in the Middle East. And where the billions (of U.S. dollars) went.”

One source, a highly decorated intelligence official, said he has recommended investigating the details of Obama and Kerry’s nuclear agreement with Iran, including the millions in cash of ransom paid to release American hostages as well as untold billions paid to the Iranians “for no sound policy reasons.”

The Trump insider said such probes would include examining the personal finances of all U.S. officials involved in crafting the Iran deal, including searching for offshore bank accounts where illicit funds might be parked.

Trump believes perhaps U.S. officials personally benefited from the Iran deal, the insider said. He described Trump as perplexed why the deal was struck in the first place, and that the president elect thinks that illicit side deals were the motivation of Obama administration insiders to enter into such a lopsided and disastrous agreement with an unstable country.
Perhaps another good angle would be unsealing all of Obama’s personal records and see how his well crafted narrative as the next John F. Kennedy quickly unravels.

Oops! This could get interesting.  :-)
Well well well.

Looks like the story is changing once again.

'Anonymous' US intelligence officials are now admitting that they have no proof that Russia gave
hacked e-mails to Wikileaks.

(Maybe they saw the Julian Assange interview by Sean Hannity which aired on Tuesday night.)

As Reuters reported:


Quote:More importantly, however, the hearing comes hours after Reuters reported overnight that U.S. intelligence agencies obtained what they considered to be conclusive evidence after the November election that Russia provided hacked material from the Democratic National Committee to WikiLeaks. However, in the latest change of the narrative, this time the allegation is that Russia provided the hacked data through a third party, three U.S. officials said on Wednesday.


And Wikileaks responded:


Quote:WikiLeaksVerified account @wikileaks 11h11 hours ago
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And, of course, the upshot of all this:


Quote:In keeping with the theme of providing no proof to the general public, the officials declined to describe the intelligence obtained about the involvement of a third-party in passing on leaked material to Wikileaks, saying they did not want to reveal how the U.S. government had obtained the information. So just trust them, please.



Man, these clowns just make shit up as they go along.  Angry
Quote:Man, these clowns just make shit up as they go along.

In my opinion this has been Obama since day one. Glad to see him gone!  Smile
You can bet many of those 'anonymous sources' will be too
Well, the public version of the Director of National Intelligence report on Russian 'hacking' made its appearance today.

If you want to peruse it, you can find it Here:


https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


Once again, no proof was included, just the usual bunch of shrill assertions and claims.

All issued with 'High Confidence' -- the same level as with the WMDs in Iraq.

And, evidently, a copy was leaked to NBC (and its affiliates MSNBC and CNBC) after Obama was briefed but before Trump was.

And John Harwood (CNBC), rabid Clinton and DNC supporter, felt so sure that this would be the final nail in Trump's coffin,
that he took to Twitter and asked his audience who they believed, the Intel agencies or Wikileaks.

He included a survey on his Tweet.

Boy, was he surprised:


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Apparently, most Americans aren't buying the US Feral Gubmint BS issued by the usual professional liars.

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Final results on John Harwood's Twitter Poll:




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Although this poll is (obviously) not scientific it does seem to suggest that only about one out of
every six Americans believe the BS shoveled by the various Intelligence agencies.
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