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No one should have to choose between food and medicine. For many low-income people with chronic illnesses, however, it's a decision far too familiar.

Seth Berkowitz, a doctor at Massachusetts General Hospital, recalls a woman — a mother — who ended up in the hospital with dangerously high blood pressure. The woman had a prescription for a medication to keep her blood pressure down, but she hadn't filled it because it was nearing the end of the school year and her kids' final tests were coming up. Faced with the option of paying for a prescription she needed or making sure her kids weren’t going into their tests hungry, she chose to feed her kids.

This is not an uncommon dilemma. When Berkowitz conducted a study on the subject back in 2014, he discovered that a third of the chronically ill patients he saw couldn't afford both food and medication.

By skipping medications in favor of paying for food, people and families often end up spending more on health care in the long run. Medical emergencies are expensive — even just a ride in an ambulance can cost several thousands of dollars — and skipping regular checkups or other preventive care can lead to more costly problems further down the line.

http://www.upworthy.com/amp/as-were-scra...paying-off
But at no point did the woman consider changing her lifestyle to reduce her blood pressure for free...
You know who tend to NOT have high blood pressure? Skinny people. I bet if she put herself on a calorie-restricted diet, not only would she have more food to feed her kids, but the resulting weight loss would lower her BP.
(09-27-2017, 11:51 PM)andrew_o Wrote: [ -> ]But at no point did the woman consider changing her lifestyle to reduce her blood pressure for free...

Andrew, you gotta know that you are smarter than the average person,

and that judging others is quite problematic, for them And YOU.


Sure I agree, but to attack them for their stupidity is not helpful. USING that knowledge to craft a more fair welfare system would be better. 



THE basic element of Poverty and much of health issues is simple lack of knowledge and stupidity.
too bad.
AND because society doesn't realize (or acknowledge) that......
The whole way we try to solve both those issues is really a mess
Dave, you're not wrong.

But hey, it needed saying anyway.

My problem is that the media spread this shit without ever asking the hard questions.
(09-28-2017, 07:32 PM)Herring Wrote: [ -> ]You know who tend to NOT have high blood pressure?  Skinny people.  I bet if she put herself on a calorie-restricted diet, not only would she have more food to feed her kids, but the resulting weight loss would lower her BP.

You're assuming facts not in evidence, Herring.  Nowhere does the article say that she is overweight or that she is not already on a calorie-restricted diet.

In fact, since she has to skip meds to feed her kids, she is probably already on a calorie-restricted diet to have enough money to feed her kids.

Besides, there is no evidence a calorie-restricted diet will cause a person to lose weight.  If all it took was a calorie-restricted diet to lose weight, doctors would be recommending calorie-restricted diets to the 1/3 of the adult American population that is overweight or obese.

One doctor I follow says that overweight and/or obese people have bodies with problems regulating blood sugar.

Another doctor I follow says no, overweight and/or obese people have unbalanced gut microflora (i.e. gut bacteria).

Another doctor I follow, say no, it's a meth deficiency (just kidding).
They diet and exercise and measure their weight loss, if any, in ounces instead of pounds.
If that describes you or someone you know, then perhaps you need to have your poop tested.
According to a recent study:

“New research by the Department of Nutrition, Exercise, and Sports at the University of Copenhagen has shown that differing proportions of gut bacteria can determine how much weight a person is able to lose – the findings suggest that a “one size fits all” approach doesn’t work…”
“The researchers found that those who had a higher ratio of Prevotel..a to Bacteroides and followed the New Nordic Diet lost more body fat than those with the same ratio following the Average Danish Diet.”

“When the ratio was reversed, there was no difference in weight loss between the two diets.”

Mads Hjorth, author of the study commented:

“People with a high Prevotella/Bacteroides ratio were more susceptible to body fat loss on a diet rich in fiber and whole grain compared to an average Danish diet.”

One thing the researchers stated is that their findings prove that what works for one person, may not necessarily work for others. They emphasized that dieting and weight loss should be tailored to each individual, exploring what does and doesn’t work for each person.

They also recommended that if you are one of those who seems to have a difficult time losing weight after dieting and exercising, that it may be beneficial to have a sample of your poop tested for bacterial content. That could provide the answer you have long sought and got you on the road to losing weight.


http://betterthanaveragehealth.com/2017/...your-poop/
Modest, that simply says "one size doesn't fit all"

ANYone would agree, if it were SIMPLE, we wouldn't be saying you need to be smart to help your health! duh


complicated and individualzed? yep, BUT
you may LIKE the IDEA of YOUR health being beyond your control, but unless you are somehow MAGIC, you DO lose weight by taking in less calories, PERIOD. eos
and your gut fauna IS based a lot on what YOU choose to eat/take.
deny all that at your own peril
(09-29-2017, 12:25 PM)DaveGillie Wrote: [ -> ]Modest, that simply says "one size doesn't fit all"

ANYone would agree, if it were SIMPLE, we wouldn't be saying you need to be smart to help your health! duh


complicated and individualzed? yep, BUT
you may LIKE the IDEA of YOUR health being beyond your control, but unless you are somehow MAGIC, you DO lose weight by taking in less calories, PERIOD. eos
and your gut fauna IS based a lot on what YOU choose to eat/take.
deny all that at your own peril

No Dave.  If you eat fewer calories, doctors say your metabolism slows down to compensate.  Which is why they don't recommend reduced calories to all their obese/overweight patients.

But now we know why people on a SNAP diet are overweight/obese.   White flour, white rice, and fructose flavored drinks (e.g. Kool-Aid) are cheaper than whole grain flour and brown ride and whole fruit or fruit juice with the pulp in it.  White flour, white rice, and fructose flavored drinks are very low in fiber and you need a high (soluble) fiber diet to lose weight.

Vegetables are also expensive.  Vegetables are high in soluble fiber and insoluble fiber.

The current recommendations are to eat at least 10 servings of vegetables and at least 3 servings of whole fruit a day totaling to at least 13 servings of whole fruits and vegetables a day.   And no, that ketchup on the hot dogs you serve doesn't count a serving of vegetable despite what Ronald Reagon and Republican congressmen say.

Try and afford 13 servings of whole fruit and vegans a day on a SNAP diet.  It can't be done.
(09-29-2017, 01:08 PM)ModestProposals Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-29-2017, 12:25 PM)DaveGillie Wrote: [ -> ]Modest, that simply says "one size doesn't fit all"

ANYone would agree, if it were SIMPLE, we wouldn't be saying you need to be smart to help your health! duh


complicated and individualzed? yep, BUT
you may LIKE the IDEA of YOUR health being beyond your control, but unless you are somehow MAGIC, you DO lose weight by taking in less calories, PERIOD. eos
and your gut fauna IS based a lot on what YOU choose to eat/take.
deny all that at your own peril

No Dave.  If you eat fewer calories, doctors say your metabolism slows down to compensate.  Which is why they don't recommend reduced calories to all their obese/overweight patients.

But now we know why people on a SNAP diet are overweight/obese.   White flour, white rice, and fructose flavored drinks (e.g. Kool-Aid) are cheaper than whole grain flour and brown ride and whole fruit or fruit juice with the pulp in it.  White flour, white rice, and fructose flavored drinks are very low in fiber and you need a high (soluble) fiber diet to lose weight.

Vegetables are also expensive.  Vegetables are high in soluble fiber and insoluble fiber.

The current recommendations are to eat at least 10 servings of vegetables and at least 3 servings of whole fruit a day totaling to at least 13 servings of whole fruits and vegetables a day.   And no, that ketchup on the hot dogs you serve doesn't count a serving of vegetable despite what Ronald Reagon and Republican congressmen say.

Try and afford 13 servings of whole fruit and vegans a day on a SNAP diet.  It can't be done.

Once again, overconfident Dave gets smacked square in the kisser, PERIOD. You know so much that you don't realize you know so little.
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