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Venezuela
#1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-39866389

The situation in Venezuela sounds totally intolerable.
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#2
tdogg was recently telling us it was a socialist paradise quiet recently.

They should send Chomsky there to see what damage and suffering his philosophy causes.
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#3
I am no fan of socialism, but Venezuela's problems stem as much from cronyism and rampant corruption as from their failed socialist experiment.
I dream of an America where a chicken can cross the road without having it's motives questioned.
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(05-12-2017, 03:30 PM)Innocynic Wrote: I am no fan of socialism, but Venezuela's problems stem as much from cronyism and rampant corruption as from their failed socialist experiment.

I agree,

but think that is the point

too much Socialism ultimately LEADS to much "cronyism and rampant corruption".

 they correlate well in the USA too
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#5
(05-12-2017, 07:34 PM)DaveGillie Wrote:
(05-12-2017, 03:30 PM)Innocynic Wrote: I am no fan of socialism, but Venezuela's problems stem as much from cronyism and rampant corruption as from their failed socialist experiment.

I agree,

but think that is the point

too much Socialism ultimately LEADS to much "cronyism and rampant corruption".

 they correlate well in the USA too

Hole-in-One Dave!

Big Grin
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(05-13-2017, 12:19 AM)andrew_o Wrote:
(05-12-2017, 07:34 PM)DaveGillie Wrote:
(05-12-2017, 03:30 PM)Innocynic Wrote: I am no fan of socialism, but Venezuela's problems stem as much from cronyism and rampant corruption as from their failed socialist experiment.

I agree,

but think that is the point

too much Socialism ultimately LEADS to much "cronyism and rampant corruption".

 they correlate well in the USA too

Hole-in-One Dave!

Big Grin

So does "Corporatism" (Mussolini 's definition of Fascism).

The U.S. is a modern example of a "Corporatist" country.  It hasn't been a democratic republic for quite some time now.
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#7
Don't be silly.

You've just elected yourself a president dead against the desires of the corporate world. Prior to that you elected a person of mixed colour also against the desires of the corporate world. Both clowns but definitely your vote counts.

The problem with both communism and fascism is that they both lead to totalitarianism. As long as you can vote in another candidate you have a reasonable degree of freedom.
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#8
"Socialism is waiting in line for a loaf of bread. Capitalism is waiting in line for a new iPhone."

 - Greg Gutfeld
I dream of an America where a chicken can cross the road without having it's motives questioned.
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(05-12-2017, 07:34 PM)DaveGillie Wrote:
(05-12-2017, 03:30 PM)Innocynic Wrote: I am no fan of socialism, but Venezuela's problems stem as much from cronyism and rampant corruption as from their failed socialist experiment.

I agree,

but think that is the point

too much Socialism ultimately LEADS to much "cronyism and rampant corruption".

Correct, and that's inherent in the system.  Under capitalism, when nearly everything's for sale, money is the answer to nearly all problems.
Under socialism/communism, many things aren't for sale.  Imagine an egalitarian system where the state guarantees you a job, provides you with housing and healthcare, etc.  That's all great until what's provided doesn't suit your particular circumstances.  Let's say the state enterprise where you work shuts down, and you're provided with a new job at one across town.  Socialism saves the day (no unemployment!), but now you've got a long commute.  Under capitalism, you could sell your current apartment and buy another near work.  Under socialism, they're provided free, but you don't own it and can't buy or sell.  Rather, you have to put your name on a list and request a swap.  The wait for such a swap could be years or decades, and your personal wait may depend on what the authorities think of your citizenship.  Therefore, you'll want to call in a favor.  People who are best at building up a supply of favors tend to do best in life.

When things can't be done for money, they're done for noncash reasons.  This system of favor-swapping is the natural outcome of such a system.
Guns don't kill people, the government does.
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(05-17-2017, 02:07 PM)Innocynic Wrote: "Socialism is waiting in line for a loaf of bread. Capitalism is waiting in line for a new iPhone."

 - Greg Gutfeld

Nice!
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