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What went wrong in Italy
#11
Could be they're only now finding them. Self isolation means you die on your own and only the smell of decay alerts the authorities.
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#12
(03-22-2020, 07:51 PM)andrew_o Wrote: Could be they're only now finding them. Self isolation means you die on your own and only the smell of decay alerts the authorities.

I thought the Italians were known to mostly live in extended families, mom, dad, kids, grandparents.....
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#13
SoYcialists like Aquaturd is what happened in Italy.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Next time, real ovens...
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#14
(03-23-2020, 02:04 PM)Klepht Wrote: SoYcialists like Aquaturd is what happened in Italy.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

When did extended families become a game ?

What kind of prizes do they award ?

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Will there be pizza ? ?

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#15
A key problem in Italy was that a planned isolation shutdown was tipped off by media and about 10,000 jumped in their cars and escaped the infected zone, thereby transferring the problem right across the country and into the rest of Europe.

Italians - not known for their self discipline
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#16
(03-22-2020, 07:25 PM)DaveGillie Wrote: .
GREAT Explanation for why it got so bad!
including the smoking et al.


HOWEVER, you guys don't seem to understand my question, I'm not asking why it got so bad.
I AM asking why the new cases are NOT DROPPING now that most are isolated. 
NONE of the things you listed can account for that

I'll take a stab at that - let's suppose that I'm an Italian guy who was exposed on the last day before the lockdown.  I typically won't show any symptoms until day 4 to 6...maybe longer for a few cases.

I might ride things out on my own for a day or three, depending how I feel, and how long it takes me to connect with my primary care doc.

If they can get testing (not sure if it's completely available there or limited to folks who match a profile, like exposure to a known case, or recent travel), not sure how long it takes to get test results.  Here in the states, some places still have a 4 to 5 day turn around for testing.

Given that sort of time table, I could have been exposed before the lock down and either just showing up as a reported case, or not showing up in official statistics for another few days.

Just speculation on my part, but it's a plausible way that statistics could still be growing this far after a serious lockdown.
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#17
Learning from the Italian experience - I think it was a bad mistake for Trump to say he "might" impose controls to prevent people leaving NY.

That's just the cue thousands of people need to jump in a car and leave before they're locked in, thereby spreading it faster.
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#18
Hmmmmm.......I wonder how many students on Spring Break in Florida brought the virus back home with them ?
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#19
(03-30-2020, 02:55 PM)aqua Wrote: Hmmmmm.......I wonder how many students on Spring Break in Florida brought the virus back home with  them ?

True - it's the indiscipline that kills in this scenario
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