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and the alternative to capitalism is.....
#1
...this:





tdogg's paradise  ;-)
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#2
The problem is, Andrew, that Capitalism is a horrible system where the rich and powerful get richer and the poor and the powerless get poorer.

But what people don't realize is, as horrible of a system as Capitalism is, Socialism is even worse.
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(02-24-2018, 10:21 AM)ModestProposals Wrote: The problem is, Andrew, that Capitalism is a horrible system where the rich and powerful get richer and the poor and the powerless get poorer.

But what people don't realize is, as horrible of a system as Capitalism is, Socialism is even worse.

How many times do I have to post statistics and charts proving that globally the poor have been dramatically uplifted by capitalism and trade?

There may be issues within the USA that you're seeing as evidence of the failure of capitalism, but they're just local. Nothing to do with the concept of capitalism at all.

They're evidence of the failure of America and Americans. Not capitalism (which you only partly adhere to)
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(02-24-2018, 08:44 PM)andrew_o Wrote:
(02-24-2018, 10:21 AM)ModestProposals Wrote: The problem is, Andrew, that Capitalism is a horrible system where the rich and powerful get richer and the poor and the powerless get poorer.

But what people don't realize is, as horrible of a system as Capitalism is, Socialism is even worse.

How many times do I have to post statistics and charts proving that globally the poor have been dramatically uplifted by capitalism and trade?

There may be issues within the USA that you're seeing as evidence of the failure of capitalism, but they're just local. Nothing to do with the concept of capitalism at all.

They're evidence of the failure of America and Americans. Not capitalism (which you only partly adhere to)

But, but, but ... Andrew the poor get uplifted less than the rich do, so let's do away with the whole thing! It is clearly the fair thing to do.
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(02-24-2018, 06:07 AM)andrew_o Wrote: ...this:





tdogg's paradise  ;-)

For an exemplar, I actually would have gone with one of the Scandinavian nations.
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(03-03-2018, 05:30 PM)tdogg Wrote: For an exemplar, I actually would have gone with one of the Scandinavian nations.

Classic response of a socialist grasping at straws.

First question: Which particular Scandinavian country? Because they're each very different from the other.

Norway
Mostly conservative and Christian.
They have not joined the EU and have tight borders and therefore have no Muslim problem.
The entire nation has been propped up revenues from Statoil and massive hydro electric capacity.
This is a capitalist/isolationist paradise! CB would love it.

Finland
Also conservative. Tough nuts with a habit of heavy drinking. Tiny population of about 5 million.
A manufacturing sector is the foundation of the economy, plus forestry and minerals. A free trading nation with high taxes that it is struggling to get down to remain competitive and there is an ongoing struggle between politicians who like to spend and citizens who require lower taxes. Sound familiar?

Sweden
At the end of the 80's the Swedish dream turned into a nightmare as their currency collapsed and they've been forced to cut taxes and services to stay in business. Tax rates are now similar to many other countries as reality has forced the hand of the politicians.

Their ultra-liberal values have also come back to haunt them. They allowed massive Muslim migration and parts of Sweden are referred to as "the rape capital of Europe" Malmo is the worst by all accounts.  There is ongoing suppression of dissenting views in social media in Sweden - you'll get arrested for even suggesting there is a problem.

I see massive unrest in the future for Sweden - because at some point Swedes must either stand up and fight or the place will become ungovernable

Denmark
Population is tiny - about 5 million. Very low income inequality (Danes are like one big family) low unemployment and no national debt. High taxes and services. It is nearest to TDogg's ideal. 

However it now has a massive Muslim problem today. The Muslim population there are almost all unemployed, partly because they're mostly unemployable and partly because Danes have shunned them. Danes pretend to be liberal but that only applies to Danes. They hate the Muslims. More trouble ahead there.




I suppose the lesson to be learned is that socialism can work for a while in very small nations with low diversity and European genetics. It relies on everyone playing the game and nobody abusing the system.
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(02-24-2018, 10:21 AM)ModestProposals Wrote: The problem is, Andrew, that Capitalism is a horrible system where the rich and powerful get richer and the poor and the powerless get poorer.

But what people don't realize is, as horrible of a system as Capitalism is, Socialism is even worse.

Nice to hear you recognize that as bad as it is, nothing is better.


OTOH it still seems sad that YOUR reason for believing Capitalism is a problem is that there is a difference between poor and rich (simply the definition of envy) - Equality of results ONLY exists in DEATH.
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(03-04-2018, 01:38 AM)DaveGillie Wrote:
(02-24-2018, 10:21 AM)ModestProposals Wrote: The problem is, Andrew, that Capitalism is a horrible system where the rich and powerful get richer and the poor and the powerless get poorer.

But what people don't realize is, as horrible of a system as Capitalism is, Socialism is even worse.

Nice to hear you recognize that as bad as it is, nothing is better.


OTOH it still seems sad that YOUR reason for believing Capitalism is a problem is that there is a difference between poor and rich (simply the definition of envy) - Equality of results ONLY exists in DEATH.

Envy, or a sense of fairness, Dave?
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#9
free markets.
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(03-05-2018, 02:50 AM)cbeatty Wrote: free markets.

Yep
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