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Catalonia Independence Referendum Silenced by Spain
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Great break down.  Cracks in the EU continue to grow. 





"The Spanish government is facing the real moment of truth. It is displaying that it is by no means concerned about human rights nor is it a true democratic system. Spain has reverted to Franco fascism as now more than 40,000 people have gathered in Barcelona to protest over the Catalan independence vote being shut down as the Spanish Government sends in 16,500 troops to deal with the activists. This is showing just how far out of touch this entire EU anti-democratic government has gone. The people no longer matter – the elite know what is best for them.

This is 86 years from the beginning of the Second Republic in Spain so 2017 is precisely on target for this type of civil unrest. What this is demonstrating is the old adage – the king is dead, long live the king. No matter what form of government takes power, it will ALWAYS, and without exception, seek to act only in its own self-interest precisely as Thrasymachus argued against Socrates.

You cannot short Spanish debt. So those who hold it, had better sell it to the ECB before it is too late. This is a very serious event that reflects upon the entire European Project. It should have been a trade union – not a political union by force of arms. Napoleon and Hitler tried that one before. It cannot work. Human rights include the dignity to assemble and the freedom of thought. Article 17 provides that no one may use the rights guaranteed by the Convention to seek the abolition or limitation of rights guaranteed in the Convention. This addresses instances where states seek to restrict a human right in the name of another human right, or where individuals rely on a human right to undermine other human rights (for example where an individual issues a death threat). Human Rights includes the freedom to hold opinions, and to receive and impart information and ideas. Spain has ignored the European Convention on Human Rights and is pretending that its national security overrides human rights – i.e. self-interest.


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inter...tober-1st/ 

The Spanish government refuses to listen to anything from Catalonia  and announced it would intervene in Catalonia’s finances to ensure that “not one euro” of public money was used to fund the “illegal” vote. Meanwhile, the Spanish police arrested 13 people in the region of Catalonia and Madrid for their alleged involvement in planning a vote to secede from Spain. This is clearly demonstrating that the Spanish government is reverting to its old fascist ways for it is the boldest move yet by Spanish authorities to stop the separatist movement.

It was 1931 when the nations defaulted on their debts that saw Estat Català and other parties began to form Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya (Republican Left of Catalonia)(ERC). The ERC won a dramatic victory in the municipal elections that year and this is when we must regard the first major step in the separatics movement.

Francesc Macià founded Estat Català (Catalan State) and proclaimed the Catalan Republic. However, after negotiations with the leaders of the new Spanish Republic, he instead accepted autonomy within the Spanish state. In the Spanish Civil War, General Francisco Franco abolished Catalan autonomy in 1938. Following Franco’s death in 1975, Catalan political parties concentrated on autonomy rather than independence.

To put this in context, it was 1931 which gave birth to the Second Republic of Spain on April 14th, 1931 after the departure from Spain of King Alfonso XIII, following local and municipal elections where republican candidates won the majority of votes in urban areas. Though Alfonso did not formally abdicate, his departure from the country led to a provisional government under Niceto Alcalá Zamora. It was at this time that a constitution was drawn up.

The Second Republic of Spain in 1931 raised the hopes for the Spanish people that the middle and lower classes would be allowed to at last advance. This included at the time women rights and for the curtailment of special privileges for the Church. It was Spain’s attempt to establish a non-religious basis for national culture and citizenship.

Nonetheless, there was the largest working-class party that was the Socialists. Their principal goal was Marxist-inspired economic and social change, but they strongly favored a republic. The situation changed dramatically on May 10, 1931, as a result of the “Burning of Convents”. The provisional government of the Second Spanish Republic had little interest in restraining manifestations of anticlericalism, as became apparent shortly after the proclamation of the Republic. Many of the new political leaders were openly anti-Catholic. So we had at this time a growing Marxist movement in Spain as well. Then on May 10th, 1931, the playing of the monarchist anthem or hymn at a royalist club in Madrid provoked an attack by supporters of the Republic that soon degenerated into three days of violence directed primarily against churches, convents and monasteries. Rioting soon spread from Madrid to Seville, Malaga and four other cities. The government at first did nothing to quell the growing violence. This fragmentation would lay the foundation for the rise of Franco and the Civil War.
The Spanish Constitution of 1931 was approved by the Constituent Assembly on December 9th, 1931. It remained in force only until  April 1st, 1939. This was the second period of Spanish history in which both head of state and head of government were democratically elected.

The planned referendum will take place on October 1st. Madrid refuses to address any issues despite the Catalan President and the mayor of Barcelona appealing for an agreement on a vote and issuing “a new call to dialogue” without preconditions. The 1931 movement for independence was the watershed moment. Cyclically, this is now 86 years in 2017. There is no question that independence will eventually succeed, but this is also coming at a critical time to try to save the EU. Cyclically, this is simply right on time 2017.

A comment from a reader in Barcelona says it all how memories still run deep:

“I follow your blog out of curiosity since I am a person with low income … I have been Catalan independentista since the 10 years 1980 i agree wth that all my life . my grandfather was in prison for speaking Catalan and my father forced him to learn fascist hymns, also spanish fascim of franco favored Spanish immigration in catalunya to Spanishize the region… my convictions that I am Catalan and I fight for a nobler cause of freedom not only for the interests of taxes that come from Madrid, if my main anger is by its stupid laws inherited from fascism to its inherited legacy of an old fallen Catholic empire, I consider that my struggle it is a struggle for the diversity of languages, the diversity of cultures which in this global world are being eaten lenguajes to extind in the name of great dictadors gloval interests.”

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#2
I'm looking for the last time Catalonia was an independent Country.....





doesn't see to have ever been
as in never ever.

wonder what the deal is now??

I usually like devolving to smaller governments, but we need keep this in perspective
interesting how people pick and choose which independence movements they support or object to
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Quote:I'm looking for the last time Catalonia was an independent Country.....

doesn't see to have ever been
as in never ever.




Quote:The Principality of Catalonia (Catalan: Principat de Catalunya, Latin: Principatus Cathaloniæ, Occitan: Principautat de Catalonha, Spanish: Principado de Cataluña), is a historic territory and a medieval and early modern political entity and state in the northeastern Iberian Peninsula, mostly in Spain, with an adjoining portion in southern France. Between the 13th and the 18th centuries it was bordered by the Kingdom of Aragon to the west, the Kingdom of Valencia to the south, the Kingdom of France and the feudal lordship of Andorra to the north and by the Mediterranean sea to the east.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia
On the order of 500 years as a separate political entity.  Not as long as Venice (1,100 years) but pretty long.
Ukraine was never really an independent state until 1992, but that doesn't mean it's not a separate ethnicity with the capacity to be an independent state.  I'm sure Catalonia could manage statehood at least as well as Ukraine and several other post-Soviet states.
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#4
did you bother to google the definition of PRINCIPALITY???????
it's basically a "STATE withIN A COUNTRY" but NOT a Nation itself.
(hence ruled by a PRINCE, NOT A KING)

There are a zillion regional states in Europe that were never ever INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES


as to other countries (Ukraine etc) and ethnicities,
very IRRLEVANT to everything and anything I said,
but a nice red herring HUGE ball of worms to talk name games with.

TERRITORY, POLTICAL ENTITY State, Principality etc
seheeeesssshhhh, NOT COUNTIES, duh
Herring; why the name game?????????? I'm all for independence movements, just with FACTS being known accurately and honestly. not emotional games played by stretching NAME GAMES.




oh, and btw, my question of "why this matters now" still stands
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Quote:did you bother to google the definition of PRINCIPALITY???????
it's basically a "STATE withIN A COUNTRY" but NOT a Nation itself.
(hence ruled by a PRINCE, NOT A KING)

That's "a" definition of a principality, but not the only one.  The Treaty of Paris definition of a principality was simply a state too small to be declared a kingdom.
It's confusing for English speakers because the words for the son of a monarch and for the ruler of an independent small state is the same:  "prince".  In German, Russian and other Continental languages, there are separate words for these concepts.
In German, the king's son is a Prinz, but the ruler of a principality is a Fürst.  In Russian, it's "prints" and "knyaz".
There are three remaining principalities generally recognized as sovereign in Europe today:  Andorra, Monaco and Liechtenstein, and there were many more as recently as the 19th century.  Interestingly, the official language of Andorra is...Catalan!  After the abuse they've been subjected to, the activists for Catalonian independence might like to establish a base of operations in Andorra.

Meanwhile, Kurdistan's moves towards independence are much further along:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea...SKCN1C1127
Guns don't kill people, the government does.
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